Friday's Afternoon Panel
Panel Moderator |
Ingo Titze |
Panel Members |
Johan Sundberg, Joe Wolfe, Pat Callaway, Leon Thurman (left to
right in following picture.) |
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Unidentified audience member for Dr.
Thurman – One thing that you mentioned at the beginning of
your presentation was that you said the brain controls the body.
In your vocal demonstrations, the eventual point I thought you were
going to connect with that was that perhaps our conception of vocal
registers can manifest different registers in our voice. Would you
agree with that to a certain degree? If you think ‘I have
5 registers’ therefore you sing with 5 registers, or ‘I
have 1 register’ therefore I sing with 1 register. Audio
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Bill Reilly–I have a bit of
a problem, because in my community, we have a number of teachers
that come from many different angles, and we have a big semantic
problem with what is being discussed here. We have teachers that
call falsetto something in the female voice and something in the
male voice, other teachers that call the falsetto something that
is loud and raucous not soft and light. There are some teachers
that call the chest voice something that is very, very low in
pitch, and other that call it something very, very high in pitch.
So I really have 2 focuses to my question; perhaps a scientist
can answer it as well as a voice teacher can. I’m yearning
for a clarity that will bring us to an examination of laryngeal
function and then to function that is beyond laryngeal that includes
resonances and also the important of noises and other non-tone
kinds of things that affect our perception of vocal stylistic
entities. So I’d love it if we could refer to laryngeal
events as fry, modal, loft and flagolet, or some other definition,
and if we start talking about the perceptions of musicians, singers
and artists with the traditional terms that would clarify definitions.
I think we should also look very clearly at other issues such
as acoustic and noise issues and when we hear a rock and roll
singer that does their scream that takes them up into their high
register, what is that high register, is it more noise, is it
more pitch, more laryngeal or is it more supra-laryngeal? Audio
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Answer and Discussion – Johan Sundberg, Leon
Thurman, Joe Wolfe. Audio
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Ruth Rainero for Johan Sundberg –
If you are continuing this sort of research, I’m very curious
about a couple things. 1. whether this opening of the laryngeal
port opens at a higher register, my hypothesis is that both male
and female singers will do this more in a lower register and less
in higher frequencies simply because you can project better at
a higher frequency and you need more of that nasality in a lower
register. Also I’d very much like to know what is going
on with French nasal vowels. […listen to the audio link
for remaining question] Audio
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Ron Scherer – A couple of comments
on registers, then a couple questions for Johan. We must not apologize
for the history of registers and how people have dealt with it.
They’ve always been sincere attempts to help people with
voice aspects. Second, we mustn’t, however, rearrange our
confusion, that’s a perpetual mistake that we make. What
we have to do, and a lot of people in this room are doing that,
is to do the experimentation, the research, the modeling, as has
been said by many, to try to clarify how the body functions to
create different kinds of sound, including registers. Once that
has been done sufficiently, the right terms and the right descriptors
will fall out operationally, and they will be based on the physiological,
acoustic and aerodynamic terms with which those qualities, etc
are defined. So I think we should just be patient and really encourage
team research between those who apply voice and need to have registers
dealt with and those who are trained scientifically. Johan, when
the nasal tract was admitted into the system, it seemed like the
first couple of formants are reduced, thus making the relative
energy of the third formant a little higher, although you seemed
to conclude that when you added the nasal tract it augmented the
singer’s formant. So I was a little confused about that
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Ron Scherer – What do you think
that extra bump was that was coming up with the singer you showed
just to the left of the singer’s formant? What do you think
that was? I’ve never seen that do you know what I mean?
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Johan Sundberg & Joe Wolfe. Audio
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Ron Scherer – When you added
the sinus cavity, was the opening to the sinus cavity a realistic
opening, was it like a little hemholz thing? It seemed like when
you added it in, you really didn’t want to, because it tended
to destroy the spectrum a little bit, and do you think people
really do that? Audio link. |
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Johan Sundberg Audio
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Comment, [cannot catch name] –
I would like to give a clarification about the laryngeal mechanism;
there seems to be some confusion, it does not seem to be clear.
It does not replace the terminology of vocal registers; it is
just something to help understand what is happening with the vocal
folds' configuration. It is based on physical measurements of
electroglottographic transition. So when you are producing a glissando,
you can pass through many registers, but at one point if you are
looking at the envelope of the EGG signals, there is a suddent
change in the envelope. Because of this transition in the envelope
of the electroglottographic signals, which means there is change
in the vocal folds' contact area, the laryngeal mechanisms have
been defined and characterized. In France it is very helpful for
singing students to understand more about their production, especially
what is happening here, there is still a lot to know about what
is happening in the vocal tract and what are the interactions
between the vocal tract and vocal fold configuration. Audio
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John Nix for Pat Callaway –
Did having the spectrograph in your studio help students in understanding
registers? Audio link. |
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Esther Hardenbergh – As a singer,
I was not trained with technology, and the primary means I have
of knowing what I’m doing is kinesthetic – what my
body and my throat are telling me; what my senses are telling
me, not visual and not hearing specifically. So how do you help
the students make the leap from what they are visually seeing
to what they are feeling. I’m on the fence about technology,
I’m very interested in it, but I can’t quite see….
I see you use it as a visual cue very effectively, but I can’t
quite get to where the kid is on the stage and they don’t
have that line anymore.
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Pat Callaway, Johan Sundberg. Audio link. |
[Comment & Discussion] Ingo Titze
– We seem to go in cycles, and coming back to talking about
registers in terms of words. I have a plea with all of us –
let’s not invent any new words, unless we put an experience
or piece of data with it. Inventing new words does nothing to
us but complicate the situation. We have good words for registers,
we just don’t have, as Johan and Ron both said, enough data
to go with the words. We need to all clarify that as we go on,
especially if we start inventing new words just to draw attention
to our work, and that doesn’t serve anybody in any way.
If in France Laryngeal mechanism is the better way to explain
it, so be it, but we can go this far and say falsetto and modal
voice are laryngeal mechanisms and they are the type, but to put
class 1 or 2 or number 1 or 2 added to it does not, in itself,
add any new information, and it just requires more explanation
every time we bring up this topic. […listen to audio link
for further discussion]
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Pat Callaway, Johan Sundberg. Audio
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